Monday, May 19, 2008

Lost island map template (4)


I'm still working on a major update of my map incorporating the maps and clues of season 4. In the meantime, here's the newly designed map template. The main focus was set on including more details from the screenshots of Rousseau's map. I hope you like the result.

A million thanks to Mr Couchman who helped me realizing the mountains!

Feel free to use the template to create your own maps and post them in the net.

73 comments:

Josh said...

It looks great! I like the mountains on the old map better though. Anyway cant wait to see the locations on this one. ;)

cypher80b said...

Hello,
Nice job with the new template. It looks great. Can't wait to see the locations update. :)

LostySmurf said...

Hey guys,

thanks for your comments! For the previous version of my map I used mountain textures and therefore it might look a bit more realistic but is also lacking details.

Regarding the locations update I want to answer by quoting Richard Alpert (S03E20):
"Maybe that can happen. Maybe. But if that's what you really want Ben if that's what you want, I want you to really think about that. And you're gonna have to be very, very patient."

:)

ThowellJR5 said...

Great job with the map and the site!

LostySmurf said...

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

sorry but wouldnt the arrow station be closer to wear the tail section landed

LostySmurf said...

You could be right but remember that the Taillies were walking '3 days straight' (stated by Bernard in S02E07) until they got to the place where AL dug the pit (and they got to the Arrow even later). So I think it's quite a distance between Arrow and the Taillies beach camp.

Alex said...

Great job for acomplishing so far what our minds wished only in our wildest dreams : a complete map of the LOST mythical island ! Anyways with all new season 4 locations, it will be a great challenge to chart them all ; the Tempest, the Temple and the Orchid might be the hardest since they seem to be quite close, them being on the same west mountain range as it seems. any ideas of how to achieve this ?

LostySmurf said...

Thanks, Alex. I don't think that Orchid, Temple and Tempest are that close to each other. But I'm not sure at the moment.

Alex said...

I took a peek at your new map and compared it with the previous one; while the general feel is better (warmer tones),the central jungle area, between the two mountain ranges, is smaller than before.
Aside from that, will you take up the challenge to chart Jacob's cabin ? Might be a difficult one since the place tend to disappear at will (though the recent blueprint contradicts this very fact). Thank you for letting us out share our impressions.

LostySmurf said...

Yeah, with the updated map I tried to stick closer to Rousseau's original map (respectively the screenshots of it) than I did with the previous version. This might be the reason why the central valley is smaller than before.

Well, my theory is that Jacob's cabin can be found at the position drawn on the Horace's map. It looks like Ben somehow "summoned" Jacob's cabin when we saw it last season and Hurley's encounter with it seems to be caused by the island. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of omnipresence of it on the island.

Anonymous said...

Hi! I know you must have a lot of work on your hands right now but I wanted to know if you would locate the radio station ?

LostySmurf said...

Hi Anon, actually I've been trying to locate the radio tower for the last year but I haven't come to a conclusion yet. I think it should be somewhere on the western plateau...

alex said...

Well this one might be tricky but juxtaposing 2 pieces of evidence from both season 3 and 4 might do the trick (if you don't mind the cheesy playword):
Ben's map to Richard which shows the temple on the western mountain range facing the radio tower somewhere on the eastern range though it may not be located as high as a radio tower should be, judging from the views taken from ep22 which rather looks like a plateau of some sort.
The other tidbit of info comes from another Ben's map (he really missed a promising career as a cartographer!)when he's showing the way to the temple to Alex and Danielle ; while it doesn't depicts in any way the radio tower, it shows how much distance lies between the two mountain ranges which would either put our mysterious emitter either in C3 or C4 above the Black Rock...
It might be reasonable to say that with season 4, we've seen every dharma station so far, on a scientific level I mean. According to the blast door map, it leaves us with 2 possible locations for the tower since C3 and C4 don't seem to be real research bases...
Enough rambling for now, I wish you luck for this one while I renew my praise for your work !

TheLostMap said...

Hey Losty,

Great map. I think it looks great. A lot more detailed and looks great! I think its going to really help in the long run. Great job!!

Mike

LostySmurf said...

Hey Mike, thanks for your comment. I'm glad you like my map.

Hey Alex, thanks again! Hmmm, either I've missed something or there are some speculations in your comment. I've some questions:
1) Where is the Temple shown on Ben's map (the one from the season 3 finale)? Didn't he tell Richard to take the other people to the Temple before leaving so it can't be at the Pascal Flats (assuming they actually are at the Pascal Flats)?
2) What makes you sure that Ben's map is drawn with North at its top (there's no north arrow on it)? Usually, I wouldn't question that but in this case it simply doesn't make any sense to me: The Fusies Beach camp just can't be anywhere at the North coast of the island (there ar just too many contradicting arguments from previous seasons).

Well, IMO this leaves two possible options for Ben's map : Either the 'Crash Site Beach Camp' doesn't mark the fuselage crash site or the map's orientation isn't drawn with North at its top.

Just to share the chaos inside my head caused by Ben's map... ;)

alex said...

I've forgotten to look at the clues section and I saw the famous season3 map (shame on me). I've realised my mistake and I'd rather chart the tower between Danielle's former hideout and the Black Rock which would be logical since we do have the Pearl on the left top side (while I first thought it was the temple in the first place).
Anyway no more confusion about that part, but the blast door map might be of some help to roughly locate a dharma place or installation.

LostySmurf said...

Hey Alex,

thanks for the clarification! I totally agree that the BDM is very important to locate the Dharma stations but I'm not sure whether the radio tower and the Temple are shown on it. Apparently, there are also some hints referring to Looking Glass and Hydra but IMO it's also questionable whether they are shown in the BDM... Though, I think it's safe to assume that Pearl, Swan and Arrow are located correctly.

DekA said...

Just a post to know your progress so far. hail to you!

LostySmurf said...

Hey DekA, I'm running from one dead end into another :(

DekA said...

Don't worry, give it a shot so we can catch a glimpse of your work!
You surely have pinpointed most of the locations, so share your vision! so we can help you on the job!

TheLostMap said...

Hey Losty,
I finally 'processed' season four.
I updated my Lost map site and also made some changes. I repositioned the Radio Tower and the Looking Glass.
I have a lot of work yet to do updating treks, but it's getting there, slowly :)
I would be interested in what you think. How's your map coming along?

Thanks

Mike

TheLostMap

emy said...

Just a post to know if you intend to show your map, which a lot of people wait impatiently ;)

LostySmurf said...

Hey there,

I'm back from holiday. Sorry for the lack of replies.

DekA & emy, I don't think it makes sense to post anything now but I promise I'll post drafts when I'm at least 50% sure about 3 or 4 locations. I didn't managed to analyze season 4 in depth yet and I hope I'll find the time for it soon.

Mike, sounds good! I'll take a look asap (at the moment I've a quite tight schedule at work due to my vacation).

emy said...

Ok, we'll wait! in the meantime don't hesitate to post your difficulties : who knows, we might be able to help! hope your vacations were enjoyable and don't work too hard!

LostySmurf said...

Thanks for the patience, emy!

DekA said...

Hi there! just checking in our LOST mapmaker! can you give us any news regarding your progress so far? will you wait for the season 4DVD to check the latest locations?

LostySmurf said...

Hey DekA,

sorry, I haven't worked on my map recently. But I spent a lot of time thinking of how to put the information from the different maps together - respectively which one can be disqualified. This process can be pretty tedious because there are several things to analyze: What is the intention of the character in this situation, what are the writer of this scene trying to say and maybe there also production errors involved. And since I've a lot of cross dependencies between the locations on my map I always start from the scratch when trying to set everything up. So I'm not sure whether I can make something of all this information before season 5 starts.

Anonymous said...

Did you notice that when Mr Eko was killed and Locke decided to bury him there that they said it would take about an hour to get to camp and back to the spot close to the Pearl?

I think this was a bit of poetic license on the writers behalf because it always seemed like more of a trek for others.

LostySmurf said...

Thanks, anon! You are totally right. I completely missed that one. And I wouldn't consider it as a poetic license of the writers (actually, the spot were Eko is buried is the origin for the bearing of 305 to find the Flame). I'll take the quote into my list of clues.

DekA said...

We're getting near the end of the year and season 5 isn't so far... Can we expect a fresh new chartered map, Losty? We're eager to check season 4 highlights! cheers for your work man

LostySmurf said...

Sorry DekA, no news.

Nice holidays to you and to all who are reading these lines.

Brian L said...

Hey guys, less than 24 hours until season 5!! Hopefully we can get work on the maps going again after we get a little Lost injection :)

We got a good little community going now with LostMap, TheLostMap, MappingTheIsland, Yung23's thread and some of the folks at Lostpedia.

See ya around.

Claudio said...

Hi Again!

Hey, i was thinking about the true north issue. In "hearts and minds" Sayid shows that there is aprox a 45° diference between magnetic north and true north.

Now, the issue here is: Is that anomaly constant in all places in the island?, or it variates because of the location of "The Swan".

If it is constant, it would solve the inconsistencies about the location of "The Flame" (the 305° bearing).

LostySmurf said...

Hey Claudio,

could you please elaborate how this would explain the inconsistencies about the location of "The Flame"?

I think there are the two options (also see here): Either a) the BDM and Locke are using the same North reference (the magnetic one) and the Flame is located where it's drawn on the BDM because i points directly to a bearing of 305 or b) the Flame is a different station on the BDM.

Claudio said...

Yeah, i know. According to the BDM, "The Flame" is pointing to a bearing of 305° from "The Swan", so in that sense, it is consistent.

The Inconsistencies are in the time of 2 days travel. If we draw the bearing in a scale map (from the true north), they would reach the west coast in the middle of the island (even more in the south), and that in no way could be 2 days travel.

Also we know that the Flame is close to the barracks (northeast), and we always have asumed that the barracks are in the north side of the island.

Now, if the BDM of "Via Domus" is canon, it shows the Barracks in the complete opposite side from the flame.

So, if we asume that the "alleged position" is in fact wrong, and if the bearing they were following was the 305° from the Magnetic North, that would mean that they were traveling closer to the True North, and that would lead them to other side of the Island.

:D

LostySmurf said...

Thanks Claudio, now I got it.

That was also a point when theorizing that the BDM might be wrong regarding the location of the Flame (I've really spent a lot of time resizing and rotating a BDM overlay on my map because the magnetic offset allows it).

Ted said...

I don't know if this would help your map or not, but the Producers of LOST film the shows in Hawaii on an island called Oahu. The shots (of the Island) you see on the show are a direct reflection of what Oahu island looks like (i.e., Mountain ridges, tree line, etc.)

here's a link to a map. It's very similar to the one you made.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.joetourist.ca/Hawaii/graphics/Hi-Oahu-map.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.joetourist.ca/Hawaii/HiOahu.htm&h=1003&w=713&sz=163&tbnid=BX6KWhVHGj-BXM::&tbnh=149&tbnw=106&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmap%2Boahu&usg=__se4TWdTQM6JJsGkLEaXPeyplkDM=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=6&ct=image&cd=1

Hope it helps.... I check out your map often to figure some of the Island's mysteries, so keep up the good work!

BTW, you didn't seem to locate the Looking Glass Station on your map. Where do you think it would be considering the "cable" must be a close walking distance from the beach.

And are you sure the Hydra station would be so close to the beach of the Losties, considering you can see the main island from the Hydra island?

anyway, thanks for the map.

Claudio said...

Hey!, new clue for te location of the Orchid Station!!!.
Locke says that they can go arround the "horn" of the island to get quicker to the Orchid.
Now, what horn would that be?

Brian said...

^^^ hey Claudio check out the last few posts on this page:

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29143&page=103

BTW Losty doesn't get to see the episode until Thursday, so he might not want to read these posts until then cause of the spoilers.

LostySmurf said...

Hey guys,

thanks for you input! Well, I think in the first place it could be any 'horn' of the island (e.g. the crater). But on a second thought it has to be a significant shortcut to travel by boat instead of hiking on the island and because they found Rousseau's raft I think it has to be close to the first french camp (as marked on Rousseau's map).

Claudio said...

Yeah!, rousseau's team was a great clue to figure this out.
But i have a question...
In wich map is marked the french camp?, i've been looking through all the maps in the screencaps and i haven't found it.

The other thing, i am really a geeeky lost fan, and would love to help you with this map project (i'm a graphic designer). It would be awesome if all the geeks interested could have some forum to help, discuss and find solutions to the locations, so we can all give clues and theories about it, what do you think?

Brian said...

The french camp is marked (in french) on Rousseau's map just to the right of the reefs (near the shipwreck) in the NW of the map. You can find a clear shot in the clues section near the bottom at the hearts & minds post.

TheLostMap said...

Hey Lostie,

How have you been. Hope you've been well. I haven't heard from you in a while.
So far I think we've got a lot of info from season five.
One thing that seems odd to me is that in season four, Jack used a satellite phone to track the helicopter from the beach, which was close to the Orchid. He and Kate/Sawyer travel north to do this.
In the latest episode,Locke and group are using the outrigger to reach the Orchid from the beach.

What seems odd to me is that they are obviously traveling south from the beach, not north.
Is Locke taking them somewhere else? If so, wouldn't Sawyer realize this? Why are they going south from the beach to the Orchid, when last season they went north?
Did I make a mistake on the directions?

On another note, I read your recent comments. I would be careful about assuming the wreckage that Locke and group found is connected to the French premier camp. It seems to me that the wreckage they found is from their ship, in which the hull breached. That wreckage could wash up anywhere along the beach. I would be more likely to assume that the place where the French survivors landed w/ Jin in the life raft would be closer to the French premier camp, as noted in the Hearts and Mind screen cap.

Mike

LostySmurf said...

Hey Mike,

except for a lot of work, I've been ok and I hope you've been fine too.

Well, you didn't make a mistake on the directions but I don't think it's that easy: In season 4 Jack used the phone to get to the chopper. In this case we had a north arrow so we can be pretty sure it's north. But we know nothing about the actual direction they were using with the boat last episode. It may just looks like the beach is to their left...

And thanks for clearing that up with the wreckage of Rousseau's ship. I hadn't taken into account that the raft could be somewhere else (I don't wear my 'map-hat' on the first view). So you're absolutely right.

Anonymous said...

hopefully tonight's episode shows that the survivors ARE near the french camp so we can pinpoint the location of the beach camp.

Because as of right now we don't have any accurate maps (and I guess we never did)

Mike White said...

I'm pretty sure that the position of the stations lines up with the circles on Daniel Faraday's map of the island. Please see the many posts I've done about this.

LostySmurf said...

Possibly. Though, my initial intention was that these notes were related to events in time or a graph with vertices and edges.

emeraldsummit said...

I just wanted to note I designed a shirt for a TV Show themed weekly shirt.woot contest using these maps!

The shirt is inspired by LOST: a maze defined by the island's shape.

Check it out at http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=29107 and vote if you can!

Thanks and enjoy!

LostySmurf said...

Wow, the shirt looks totally awesome. I love the maze pattern and the subtle connection to Lost. Great work!

Robbie said...

Please look at this variation of your map...

http://probablythelostisland.blogspot.com/

Robbie said...

On my variation the Tempest is placed where C3 is on the blast door map because it is stated as a weather control related station on high ground. It is also about the same distance from the camp as the staff which makes sense as the losties took about half a day to get to each of these.

The Temple is placed where C4 is on the BDM because it is stated that Cerberus activity is highest here; near the CV vents and the black rock.

The Orchid is placed in the south-west because on the BDM it states that there is a possible site for experimentation on flora (the Orchid's guise). Also the underground springs and heavy water table indicate that the Orchid is there 'tapping into' a similar energy that the not too distant Swan is 'corking'.

The Looking Glass I just figured to be on the lower eastern shoreline because the cable most likely leads to the Radio tower or temple.

I recently changed Hydra island's location after 'Namaste' when Ben implies it is very close to the barracks' sub dock.

I know this all doesn't fit with Ben's maps etc, but from the action of the show and the BDM I think this makes the most sense...probably.
Let me know what you think

Anonymous said...

Robbie
I love your map. It makes more sense than any other map out there. You should post it on other site so people can use it. I'm sure a lot of people would love to use your map following the show. I do! It makes so much sense. I bet you could even sell you copy of the map. I would love to get a copy to put in my living room.

Great Job. I think I'll just use the site and make a map off of that,but if you have a better idea, let us know.

Anonymous said...

At last someone took where LostySmurf had left!when I thought this project had been left and forgotten! great job with your current map though the temple might not be in its right place (see Ben's 3rd season map which he showed to Richard),the Tempest could be located instead the Orchid since Faraday & Char went from the beach 1st camp in half a day (reached second fastest after the swan).
Robbie do you think you can locate the radio tower?

Radzinsky said...

Sorry Robbie, but your WAY off. The proof? Just try to make the other official maps work with yours (they won't). Also you can't just move entire chunks of land (the entire Hydra Island) to make the Island fit your theory (at least without explaining how)

If you think carefully, the layout of the Island isn't such a mystery. The clues actually fit together quite nicely.

Radzinsky.

P.S turning off Anon/Name comments on your blog is a good way to not get comments.

Anonymous said...

Radzinsky said...

Sorry Robbie, but your WAY off. The proof? Just try to make the other official maps work with yours (they won't). Also you can't just move entire chunks of land (the entire Hydra Island) to make the Island fit your theory (at least without explaining how)

If you think carefully, the layout of the Island isn't such a mystery. The clues actually fit together quite nicely.



I would respectfully disagree. If the layout of the island isn't such a mystery, then why haven't you or anyone else been able to come up with such a map. A lot of people have tried, none succeeded. I think Robie is the closest to the actual truth.

Sorry, but thats just how it is

Robbie said...

Thanks guys, all feedback is appriciated. Anon, I suspect the radio tower is on the mountain range above dark territory (so near the black rock and temple)

Basically my attitude is that we can't take ALL the maps and camera shots to be direct evidence of an overall map so most of my stuff is a bit sketchy.

Radzinsky I know the moving of hydra island is blatent cheek but I take that from the show's most recent episodes. If the writers originally placed hydra island to the south Ben's line in 'Namaste' was their way of telling us that they messed up and this is the real location.

Thanks again

Anonymous said...

I can't wait for your map next's update Robbie. Regarding the orchid which is really close to the stone well which Locke descends, the statue was in sight above the line tree by sawyer and co.
Therefore I suggest you put this station instead of the current staff sation location, which is by the way closer to reach by the losties own beach camp in 2nd season.
What do you think?

Robbie said...

You're right, geographically that makes sense but the blast door map specifically states otherwise: known location of the staff - being one of the notations. It's one of the many conundrums the show presents.

On the map the statue is almost in between the two stations so I would say it doesn't matter on that account.

Anonymous said...

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative_stations


Any new updates?

LostySmurf said...

Hi anon,

sorry, haven't got any updates. Hope we'll learn something new from Radzinksky...

LaFlor said...

And that wraps up season 5! an awesome finale! But we still ain't got clues about the island's map charting (^ o ^') will a saviour advance forward and take up the challenge?

Anonymous said...

Anybody here?? we haven't seen a map update since one full year!

LostySmurf said...

Patience, my friend.

Take a look at Mike's site at
http://thelostmap.blogspot.comfor some great ideas.

Claudio said...

HEY!

Great news, with the upcoming lost auction there has been a lot of photos of the items, including ROUSSEAU'S MAP!.

Here's the link to a sweet big picture of it!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hawaii/3750700484/sizes/o/in/set-72157621675264103/

Is it me, or the Ruins are marked in the middle right coast?.

LostySmurf said...

Thanks a lot, Claudio!

finally we got Rousseau's complete map. TPTB could have saved me a lot of work if they'd published it right after season 2 :)
Really great, but I better don't start to speculate why they're selling it now (before season 6)... :)

You're right about the ruins. Hmmm, I had some thoughts in this direction during season 3 because of the direction Sayid was facing when performing his prayer on the boat. Well, and finally we got some confirmation of the location of the 'cable'/Looking Glass. I better search my french dictionary...

Claudio said...

You're welcome.

I really love all this geeky work about making an acurate map for the island, but i'm worried that maybe sometimes we asume that absolutly every clue on the show about locations are correct.

I'm sure that the production isn't worried about following without mistake an official map.

We can see that in the 3th season's exodus, when they change the side of the coast as they keep walking.

Well, see ya!

LostySmurf said...

I agree. And the hardest part to distinguish the production errors/false clues from the true ones. But that's the fun about it...

Anonymous said...

Au boulot et plus vite que ├ža!
Malheureusement la carte de rousseau n'est d'aucune aide... Hope you produce a new map lol

LostySmurf said...

Mon chien a mange mes devoirs :)

Nur keine Hektik...

VeX said...

Howdy LostSmurf,

First of amazing job, love your attention to detail. I have a LOST fan site located here
http://www.tyinguplostthreads.com/
I was wondering if I could work with you on a version 5 map. I just need someone to make a photorealstic map of the island (just the island no structures) and I can turn it into a google map interface. So if anyone out there can make me a really high rez image I can do all the coding part to make it a reality.

LostySmurf said...

Hey VeX,

sorry, I cannot help you as I'm pretty busy in RL at the moment. But I would recommend that you ask Mike or Quasark. Both of them have great skills and created wonderful maps which are my favorite published maps at the moment (still waiting for Gunnie to publish his map... :) ).

Anonymous said...

its weird how much that looks like oahu